Winnie:

Not to take this thread off topic.[ HA!! Like there is a ' topic' other than rabid nutbar allowed to have laptop and internet access ].the short answer is: NO [ unless there is a 'recreational gun club ' licenced on the DND Base/Property with a permit to use outdoor/base ranges [ usually by appointment only ] Best check with Base Range Control...

don't suppose with a nom d'internet of Winnipegger you're anywhere near Wainwright?[ Son and Wife are flying out to CFB Armpit for Ex Maple Defender ]

Dear Commentors,
Most of you are not reading or cannot read what I write, it seems. You seem to be doomed to speaking foolishness and trying to distract people from the issue at hand. Did one person die in the PGW? That is the issue! He that will hear me, let him hear me, he that will refuse, let him refuse. How many of you are really soldiers? Tell me if you know. Deaf Messenger

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Originally posted by Rocketeer:
Winnie:

Not to take this thread off topic.[ HA!! Like there is a ' topic' other than rabid nutbar allowed to have laptop and internet access ].the short answer is: NO [ unless there is a 'recreational gun club ' licenced on the DND Base/Property with a permit to use outdoor/base ranges [ usually by appointment only ] Best check with Base Range Control...

don't suppose with a nom d'internet of Winnipegger you're anywhere near Wainwright?[ Son and Wife are flying out to CFB Armpit for Ex Maple Defender ]

Please, take this thread off topic, I am begging you.

Deaffie:

we're hearing you, just not listening..you sound like an annoying mosquito an incessant whine but no intelligence..

As for ' who died' in PGW..what? you want a name? Achmed Mohammed and about 50 cousins who were fried on dusty roads in Kuwait..or, if you mean the present ' conflict/war on terrorism ' in Iraq.. well, the names of the US soldiers/Servicepeople killed are all known and the Iraqi people who have been sacrificed to establish ' democracy' or fell to ' insurgents/rebels/terrorist/islamicists of factions from the Shi'ite/Sunnis and other offshoots number in the thousands [ all documented by various government and independent sources, even if the exact 'count' is in some dispute ]..

So, yeah, I can tell you who died..try 3500 American and allies so far and, at a minimum, ten times that in Iraqi Nationals..

now misquote me a Bible passage to deny that and maybe I'll renounce my slavish devotion to the secret cabal military industrial conspiarators manipulating the US Government for private gain...[ not ]

I think he's referring to GW1. And yeah we had some of our troops killed in that action. I seem to remember a SCUD coming down in a hanger and killed a bunch of reservists grouped in there during the inbound missle warnings.

Dear Commentors,
I typed a reply similar to what follows, and it was eaten by hackers who closed the window. If you read what I have written, you would know that I am referring to casualties among allied troops, and there was not one out of million man army. As for the alleged scud missile attack, I have explained that was after the war, and it happened to soldiers who were handling what they were told was not live ammunition. Saddam probably never lifted a finger against the U.S.. Do you think that your current Commander-in-Chief is legitimate? Bill Clinton declared a State of Emergency on his last day in office, and that is probably still effective today. Also the dumkopf Bush Nazis shut down the Federal Government for the 2001 inauguration and never reopened it. On top of that, who gave the Secret Service; i.e. the private army of the Bush Nazis; i.e. the Storm Troopers; i.e. Zion's Secret Police the right to mess with the voting process? The current war is poopheads blowing people up. Poopheads convincing people to blow themselves and/or others up. It is rumors of war. Nothing more. Nothing less, for the enemy is on both sides, trying to create a world of poopheads. How in heck can they plant those explosives without someone detecting them? Don't you believe that communication glitches are promoting such calamities? As you should know, the look on their faces will betray them. (Is. 3:9) Thus I hope someone gets a good look at your faces. Be sure to notify me when your stupidity blossoms again. Best wishes. BobbyMeade

wasn't nothing alleged about that scud missle. I happen to have several pieces of it that I brought back with me. You are just another jackass sitting at the keyboard. Never done nothing in your life and likely never will.


Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm Timeline

Iraq invades Kuwait, Aug. 2, 1990.


Operation Desert Shield begins, Aug. 7.


First U.S. forces (F-15 Eagle fighters from Langley Air Force Base, Va.) arrive in Saudi Arabia, Aug. 7.


First Operation Desert Shield-related U.S. death, Aug. 12.


President George Bush authorizes first call-up of Selected Reservists to active duty for 90 days, by executive order, Aug. 22. (Call-up widened in subsequent authorizations; period of service extended to 180 days on Nov. 12 by executive order.)


Operation Desert Storm and air war phase begins, 3 a.m., Jan. 17, 1991 (Jan. 16, 7 p.m. Eastern time).


Iraq attacks Israel with seven Scud missiles, Jan. 17.


U.S. Patriot missile successfully intercepts first Scud, over Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, Jan. 17.


President Bush authorizes the call-up of up to 1 million National Guardsmen and Reservist for up to two years, Jan. 18.


DoD announces deployment of Europe-based Patriot missiles and crews to Israel, Jan. 19.


Iraq creates massive oil slick in gulf, Jan. 25.


Iraqis attack Khafji, Saudi Arabia, Jan. 29.


Iraq captures first U.S. female prisoner of war, Jan. 31.


Award of the National Defense Service Medal authorized, Feb. 21.


Iraqis ignite estimate 700 oil wells in Kuwait, Feb. 23.


Allied ground assault begins, 4 a.m., Feb 24 (Feb. 23, 8 p.m. Eastern time).


Iraqi Scud destroys U.S. barracks in Dhahran, killing 28 U.S. soldiers, Feb. 25.


Cessation of hostilities declared, 8:01 a.m., Feb. 28 (12:01 a.m. Eastern).


Cease-fire terms negotiated in Safwan, Iraq, March 1.


DoD announces first troop redeployment home, March l7 (24th Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Ga.)


Award of the Southwest Asia Service medal authorized, March 13.


President Bush announces U.S. relief supply airdrops to Kurdish refugees in Turkey and northern Iraq, April 5.


Iraq officially accepts cease-fire terms, April 6.


Task Force Provide Comfort forms and deploys, April 6.


U.S. transports deliver 72,000 pounds of supplies in first six Operation Provide Comfort missions, April 7.


Cease-fire takes effect, April 11.


Construction of first Provide Comfort tent city begins near Zakhu, Iraq, April 20.


U.N. commission assumes responsibility for Kurdish refugees, June 7.

Operation Desert Storm
Air Deployment Missions: 18,466, as of June 7, 1991


3,980 by C-5 Galaxy transports

9,085 by C-141 Starlifter transports

1,193 by C-130 Hercules transports

395 by KC-10 Extender aerial refuelers

3,813 by Civil Reserve Air Fleet carriers

509,129 passengers and 594,730 tons of cargo carried

U.S. casualties: 148 battle deaths, 145 nonbattle deaths


Army: 98 battle; 105 nonbattle

Navy 6 battle; 8 nonbattle

Marines: 24 battle; 26 nonbattle

Air Force: 20 battle; 6 nonbattle

Women killed, 15

U.S. wounded in action: 467.

U.S. Commanders, U.S. Central Command, Operation Desert Storm


Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, USA, commander in chief

Lt. Gen. Calvin Waller, USA, deputy commander in chief

Maj. Gen. Robert B. Johnston, USMC, chief of staff

Lt. Gen. John J. Yeosock, USA, Army commander

Lt. Gen. Walter Boomer, USMC, Marine commander

Vice Adm. Stanley Arthur, USN, Navy commander

Lt. Gen. Charles Horner, USAF, Air Force commander

Allied Combat Air Sorties Flown: More than 116,000

Coalition Aircraft Losses: 75 (63 U.S., 12 Allied)


Fixed wing, 37 combat, 15 noncombat

U.S. losses, 28 combat, 12 noncombat

No U.S. losses in air-to-air engagements

Helicopters, 23 (all U.S.): 5 combat, 18 noncombat

Estimated Iraqi Losses: (Reported by U.S. Central Command, March 7, 1991)


36 fixed-wing aircraft in air-to-air engagements

6 helicopters in air-to-air engagements

68 fixed- and 13 rotary-wing aircraft destroyed on the ground

137 Iraqi aircraft flown to Iran

3,700 of 4,280 battle tanks

2,400 of 2,870 assorted other armored vehicles

2,600 of 3,110 assorted artillery pieces

19 naval ships sunk, 6 damaged

42 divisions made combat-ineffective

Enemy prisoners of war captured: U.S. forces released 71,204 to Saudi control.

Facts About Operation Provide Comfort (Relief to Kurdish refugees in eastern

Turkey and northern Iraq):


Operation conducted by U.S. European Command, Army Lt. Gen. John M. Shalikashvili commanding.

11,936 U.S. personnel engaged at peak, May 21, 1991.

Total allied coalition personnel involved at peak, 21,701.

Relief supplies delivered: 4,416.6 tons by ground transports and 12,683.2 tons in 3,901 air sorties.

Maximum Kurdish refugee count in tent cities, 57,350, May 24, 1991.

U.S. relief: 4.79 million prepackaged ration meals and 2,687.5 tons of bulk food; 200,717 gallons of water; 211,788 blankets; and 23,500 tents.

(From the 1991 "Defense Almanac")

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There is so much bull in that list it is ridiculous. There was no ground assault on 2/24/01. The ground assault began on 1/16/01. The war was over on 2/7/01. Operation Desert Sabre was a complete fabrication. The alleged attack on 1/29/01 also seems to be a fabrication even though they reported a lot of deaths on that date. Go look at World Book account of Operation Desert Sabre and understand that every thing is fictional to cover up the murder of 700 allied troops. The Iraquis never attacked anyone in that war. Look at how Bush Daddy is portrayed as a moving shaking poophead for Oper. Desert Sabre. He never did a thing in that war. The media and the encyclopedias have actually attempted to change history. Go get original press releases from that war, and you will see how much falsehood has been promoted.

Mr. Bobby Poophead Meade:

do you actually live on this planet?
The Iraqis never invaded anyone?
Geeez Louise!!
Even Sadaam Hussein, the Great Imperial Anti-Zionist Poobah himself admitted ordering the ' liberation' of Kuwait..

but, then, given his lies about the WMDs or lack thereof we can't, obviously, trust him to tell the truth about ordering an invasion of his neighbours.

And, of course, You, as Supreme Allied Commander of all the Coalition of the Willing, sitting on your lardbutt in East Butt****, Nebraska and not in the Middle East, were totally privy to all reports, intel, messages, carrier pigeon notes, semaphores, Morse code teletypes and the secret mental intercepts by the clandestine CIA brain scanner brigades so you know what all of us poor ordinary folk don't know...
and the whole Media, who love to take the mickey out of Dubya and castigate him at every turn were, back then, willing dupes of the Overlord government [ the BushNazis as you've labelled them ] and they reported slavishly and uncritically every bit of spurious propaganda put out by the White House Cabal under the Earthly Devil, Dick Cheney..

That's right, isn't it? All of us in the western World [ minus you ] have been befuddled, bamboozled and brainwashed into sucking up the ' official party line' and you, only you, have been able to penetrate the wall of lies and see The Truth revealed, as it was foretold by Demetrius the goatherd to Abraham and Jacob who duly scribbled it down in Leviticus somewhere just for you to find 2000 years later.

Damn, you're good! I'm impressed!! You have revealed the whole world wide conpiracy here for us poor peons.. so explain to me why you aren't being interviewed on FOX/CNN, Larry King, the View, sitting with Oprah or Rush or Oliver North or even Howard Stern, telling all??

Let me guess.. the evil imperial storm troopers of the BushNazi secret state police have you surrounded, surveiled, monitor your phone, e-mails and shopping habits so that you cannot get the message out to the great unwashed..

And yet, you have managed to penetrate their cordon using a cost hanger, spirit gum and some gun tape so that we humble few on this benign little website could have our eyes opened to the vast injustice you have discovered.

I'm touched [ obviously not as much as you, mind ] and feel totally unworthy of this revelation..I implore you, please,,reveal no more!!.. Go forth!! Tell others on other sites this truth..I can take no more.. I must scuttle to my bunker and wait out the Apocalypse when Hillary will rule the world..

whew..[ I feel better for getting that all off my chest ] Nurse!! Make the last pour of Bowmore a double!!

PS, GUNNY: don't you know better than to try and confuse the Great Gonzo with facts?? C'mon, man, reality cannot distort true insight and divine inspiration!! A Prophet is not, etc...[ read that somewhere in the Bible ]

Dear Rocketeer,
You are the one talking garbage. Read what you write. It is pure gibberish. Saddam Hussein was on the run from the minute those planes took off until the end of the war, 21 days. Go read the original press accounts. Saddam didn't have time to attack anything. He did set the oil wells on fire, but that was about it. Your talk is trash. Deaf Messenger

Deaffie:

So, you're now telling me that Saddam, as Dictator/Leader of the Republic of Iraq, with an iron fist control over the military of that nation, did not order an invasion/liberation of Kuwait? did not ' suggest' that the troops under his authority should step over the line in the sand into Saudi Arabia?.. it was all someone else's idea? Saddam was too busy scuttling off to shag a few veiled harlots in his harem and missed the memo??

Damn!! I'm learning something new every day!!..

So, let me guess, since Saddam was once a ' friend' of the USA [ under pre-Bush regimes], it was really a secret conclave of American oil interests who thought that, by destablizing the Middle East with a little dust up, they could cash in by pushing a hot war/arms sales opportunity?? Cynically, they were out to profit by the death and destruction of a nice, benevolent country and the needless slaughter of young American soldiers..

That's harsh, man...I'm beginning to think that you only have dark thoughts in your heart, Deaffie..Do you refuse to pay taxes so as to not, inadvertently, financially support illegal operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and other lesser know locales outside the contiguous United States??

seems this is really getting out of hand and ha ha no rocketeer i'm born and raised in the shithole of winnipeg it's much like cleveland is to the US as Winnipeg is to Canada

that's really to bad the only range near my house which is more then 250m is about an 2 hours away! btw which regmiment are your offspring/wife in? (your son is infantry and wife is chaplin i think right?)

Winnie:

things getting out of hand? You're kidding, right? hell, boy, this starting to verge on ' normal '..I'm actually starting to see what Deaf Messie is on about.. [ have you seen his website? ] this guy is on one serious drug trip.. Frank Zappa would have been proud and Dr. Timmy Leary would be bowing down at Deaffie for being able to actually find the keyboard, let alone type on it with that much narco in his system!! I can't believe he's sticking it out, taking the sh*t being tossed his way and replying to it all.. why it's like he actually thinks he's making valid points and that we give a cr*p.

As for the wife/kid..Missus is 32 CBG Chaplain, currently Base Chaplain at CFB Borden, daughter is A/Adgt. at Borden, and son is Company Commander, Infantry [ check out www.rhli.ca ]..oh, yeah.. got more CadPat in the closet than company stores.

Dear Rocketeer and Winnipegger,
You are still not reading what I am writing. I said that Saddam was on the run as soon as the planes took off on 1/16/91 or 1/17/91. I did not say that he didn't invade Kuwait or anything like that. I do not have a website either. What is the address that you are referring to? As for the current scenario in Iraq, "the day of their watchmen, of their being given attention, has come." (Mic. 7:4) I presume that this means that all soldiers should assume the role of observers on the defense, for the look on their faces betrays those who have been promoting a world of poopheads. Nuff said? Please notify me when your stupidity blossoms again. Deaf Messenger

Deaf Poophead:

I simply typed " Dieback! Bel Bows Down " into the ol' search engine and up popped your inane mutterings - er, sorry - your erudite disertation on things political...that not you? Bobby Meade, etc., etc.