Being fat and stupid might be something you might have a lawyer help you with. Start by bringing a law suite against all of the schools you attended (and possibly those that turned you down) and then against McDonalds or any of a dozen fast food joints.

You might also charge the Church for failing to instill any ethical or moral understanding into your being. That whole humility thing is probably cause to even more wealth because they did not make you understand that either.

None of this could remotely have been your fault. Think of never having to work again because of it!

harryP is a funny guy. I dont want to sue anyone I just want a clean break from the military, if they dont want to give me that break then I can keep playing games for as long as they want, all the way up to the point of the end of my contract if they wish but they will never get any useful service out of me, I may have to go back some day to prevent being "taken in" but I am not going to be cooperative to the point of doing actual work, I will likely just patronize the person who is in front of me at the time to avoid harrasment. I think they will grow tired and eventually give me my admin discharge.

Have you contacted them and asked for one (I cannot remember your past posts about contacting them)? They probably do not want you at this point and may be accommodating.

I actually finally did get ahold of the S1 and am waiting for a response to her response to me. I will email again after christmas and see what my status is. Then I can burn my class A uniform.

I think that you may have to go in so that they can cut the buttons off or some such thing.

Harry

Still feeding him?

Guilty as charged but I will not hammer my fingers!

Hmmm, I was going to suggest superglueing thumbtacks pointy end up on each of your keys!

You know, I have read the posts about how "dumb and degrading" it is for someone to claim VA benefits when they either don't have a discharge or an ELS Uncharacterized Discharge.

I've also read the posts where it is implied that PTSD is not obtainable from BCT at Ft Leonard Wood, MO.

I do understand that most people don't understand PTSD, much less know what it is.

I am a veteran of Ft Leonard Wood BCT who was discharged from BCT. I am thankful that my DI's realized there was something wrong.

My ADT at "Lost in the Woods" was when they had BCT terms of 8 wks long. For my age group at that time on the PT test I was required to run 2 miles in 8 minutes. I was Alpha Gator.

Now that you have some sort of idea of what kind of Training and what kind of DI's I had, you know what all I when through in 6 to 7 wks at BCT.

Just a few questions...

1. How many times have you had a detensified live smoke grenade go off only about 8 to 12 inches from your ear?

2. How many times do you hear the DI's and other soldiers yelling and cadencing, then realize that you're in church with your mom dad brother sister wife and a friend from your childhood

3. how many times have you felt that you needed to run for cover only to find out there is no noise at all?

4. How many times have you felt scared not knowing where you are and going through battle, simulated or not, then realizing that you're at home with your wife at least 100 miles from the nearest Battle Training Facility?

5. How many times have you had a hard time sleeping at night because you're have nightmares of the battlefield, simulated or not?

6. How many times have you been in a fox-hole squeezing the trigger and you mess up one time, then the DI felt it necessary to bang you over the kevlar with the rod they use to execute what they call "Sticking the Guns"?

7. How many times did you get a 2nd chance to prove yourself to your DI's and to your comrades?

8. How many times did one certain DI humiliate you and that same DI defend the other soldiers when they humiliated you?

I'm sorry...don't tell me you can get PTSD from
Military Exposure, especially from BCT.

posttraumatic stress disorder
n. Abbr. PTSD
A psychological disorder affecting individuals who have experienced or witnessed profoundly traumatic events, such as torture, murder, rape, or wartime combat, characterized by recurrent flashbacks of the traumatic event, nightmares, irritability, anxiety, fatigue, forgetfulness, and social withdrawal.

Nope, nowhere in here does it mention Basic Training.

The following information was copied and pasted from the US Department of Veterans Affairs National Center for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder located at the following URL:

http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/ncdocs/fact_shts/fs_what_is_ptsd.html

What is Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)?
Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is an anxiety disorder that can occur after you have been through a traumatic event. A traumatic event is something horrible and scary that you see or that happens to you. During this type of event, you think that your life or others' lives are in danger. You may feel afraid or feel that you have no control over what is happening.

Anyone who has gone through a life-threatening event can develop PTSD. These events can include:

Combat or military exposure
Child sexual or physical abuse
Terrorist attacks
Sexual or physical assault
Serious accidents, such as a car wreck.
Natural disasters, such as a fire, tornado, hurricane, flood, or earthquake.

After the event, you may feel scared, confused, and angry. If these feelings don't go away or they get worse, you may have PTSD. These symptoms may disrupt your life, making it hard to continue with your daily activities.

How does PTSD develop?
All people with PTSD have lived through a traumatic event that caused them to fear for their lives, see horrible things, and feel helpless. Strong emotions caused by the event create changes in the brain that may result in PTSD.

Many people who go through a traumatic event don't get PTSD. It isn't clear why some people develop PTSD and others don't. How likely you are to get PTSD depends on many things. These include:

How intense the trauma was
If you lost a loved one or were hurt
How close you were to the event
How strong your reaction was
How much you felt in control of events
How much help and support you got after the event

PTSD symptoms usually start soon after the traumatic event, but they may not happen until months or years later. They also may come and go over many years. About half (40% to 60%) of people who develop PTSD get better at some time. But about 1 out of 3 people who develop PTSD always will have some symptoms.

Read More; Go to the Webpage

Clueless. Another nomination for ignore list.

Nevermind, chances are you won't go to the webpage and just stick to your old definition of the word which uses the Abbr PTSD. So I'll post it here for you:

What are the symptoms of PTSD?
Symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) can be terrifying. They may disrupt your life and make it hard to continue with your daily activities. It may be hard just to get through the day.

PTSD symptoms usually start soon after the traumatic event, but they may not happen until months or years later. They also may come and go over many years. If the symptoms last longer than 4 weeks, cause you great distress, or interfere with your work or home life, you probably have PTSD.

Even if you always have some symptoms, counseling can help you cope. Your symptoms don't have to interfere with your everyday activities, work, and relationships. Most people who go through a traumatic event have some symptoms at the beginning but don't develop PTSD.

There are four types of symptoms: re-living symptoms, avoidance symptoms, numbing symptoms, and feeling keyed up.

Reliving the event (also called re-experiencing symptoms):

Bad memories of the traumatic event can come back at any time. You may feel the same fear and horror you did when the event took place. You may feel like you're going through the event again. This is called a flashback. Sometimes there is a trigger: a sound or sight that causes you to relive the event. Triggers might include:

Hearing a car backfire, which can bring back memories of gunfire and war for a combat veteran
Seeing a car accident, which can remind a crash survivor of his or her own accident
Seeing a news report of a sexual assault, which may bring back memories of assault for a woman who was raped.

Avoiding situations that remind you of the event:

You may try to avoid situations or people that trigger memories of the traumatic event. You may even avoid talking or thinking about the event.

A person who was in an earthquake may avoid watching television shows or movies in which there are earthquakes
A person who was robbed at gunpoint while ordering at a hamburger drive-in may avoid fast-food restaurants
Some people may keep very busy or avoid seeking help. This keeps them from having to think or talk about the event.

Feeling numb:

You may find it hard to express your feelings. This is another way to avoid memories.

You may not have positive or loving feelings toward other people and may stay away from relationships
You may not be interested in activities you used to enjoy
You may forget about parts of the traumatic event or not be able to talk about them.
Feeling keyed up (also called arousal or hyper-arousal symptoms):

You always may be alert and on the lookout for danger. This is known as increased emotional arousal. It can cause you to:

Suddenly become angry or irritable
Have a hard time sleeping
Have trouble concentrating
Fear for your safety and always feel on guard
Be very startled when someone surprises you

PTSD in children and teens:

Children can have PTSD too. They may have the symptoms above or other symptoms depending on how old they are. As children get older their symptoms are more like those of adults.

Young children may become upset if their parents are not close by, have trouble sleeping, or suddenly have trouble with toilet training or going to the bathroom
Children who are in the first few years of elementary school (ages 6 to 9) may act out the trauma through play, drawings, or stories. They may complain of physical problems or become more irritable or aggressive. They also may develop fears and anxiety that don't seem to be caused by the traumatic event.

What are other common problems? People with PTSD may also have other problems. These include:

Drinking or drug problems
Feelings of hopelessness, shame, or despair
Employment problems
Relationships problems including divorce and violence
Physical symptoms

Let the VA and its Reps do their job. If you are indeed a Sergeant or higher, then you were trained to notice when there is something wrong. heck, how do I know this...I never made it past E1...here's how...

A friend of mine who is also a Vet enrolled in Ranger School. during his service term He acquired the rank of Sergeant.

My step-dad is a Nam Vet with PTSD who was a Drill Sergeant for 6 yrs

Wow...some of the things the Army does is supposed to be kept top secret. Why is it that it's the Vets who do their best not to leave a comrade behind whether a current member of the Armed Forces no matter what branch or released/discharged.

Just like the old discharges commonly known as "Section 8's"; whatever crazy stuff they did to get the dishonorable discharge...very few of those cases are due to a psychotic/mental disorder. believe me...there are some Section 8's which should've received at least a medical discharge under honorable conditions...you know it's called "Convenience of the Government". The Gov't don't want these "Section 8's" in the warzone battlefield...they might go mercenary.

I'm still attempting to decipher what your point is or was?

He could not "take" basic at Fort Leonard Wood (gee, my little niece managed to do quite well). I wonder if he ever had an RPG go off nearby (that would put the fear in him)? Some people are just not able to face the military as it is intended and are destined to be a Ken doll in life.

hmmmm, I never knew smoke grenades made enough noise to give someone PTSD. Reckon I qualify for that 155mm howizter round that went off 30 feet behind me?

It's not the grenade that gave me the PTSD, nor is it the RPG's; and concerning the Howitzer, it depends on how stressful and traumatic the situation was when the Howitzer when off.

About that niece in Ft L'Wood...What Company did she have and who were the DI's? Also, what year did she attend?

When I went through Basic, I was never told to stay in the truck until the DI came to the rear of the truck to put a step-ladder there so the privates won't hurt themselves...Heck, we were told that when the truck stopped, we were to jump out of the truck and roll into the ditch...all in one motion...if one private messed up...we all got smoked(PT'd).

As far as me not being able to "take" Basic...How many people do you know were at L'Wood in...say...Echo Company...passed the PT but didn't pass BRM...got put in holdovers to retake the BRM...got put in Alpha Company...and flunk the next PT for Alpha Company company...and still flunk the BRM, and still graduated BCT.

I had 3 friends that had that happen to them, they're in Iraq right now. One I was in BCT after he came to Alpha Company. The other 2 were friends from home and they told me about it.

So it's not a matter of whether I could handle it or not...It's the fact that the DI's were able to "pick-n-choose" who they felt should be discharged and who should be able to stay.

oh yeah...and Gunny...let someone walk up behind you with a smoke grenade holding it 8 inches from your ear and let's see what it does to you...you can't tell me it won't do anything to you...I know better.

Dude, please. We have a topic named "Off Topic", there you'll find a thread called "Jokes". Please post in the correct area.

ha ha ha...funny Patoloco...real funny.

You know...maybe you too should be posting there but you don't see us complaining about you posting in the wrong area!