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Registered: 19 February 2006
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There were a few marines and a corpman that were just conviced of "fragging" some people recently. Of course using a buzz word to minimize there actions did not save them. I can see cavscout now, oh I just "fragged" them because they were a piece of crap.
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Ronald, you are off topic again and do not understand the use of the word frag, which is typical of you, because you are wrong.


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Has he been right yet Harry?


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Why dont you enlighten me on the meaning of this slang term. BTW, Cavscout did not use the word frag, he used the word shoot with intent to kill, he admited he would murder his own people if he thought they were pussys.
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Stay on topic or go away.


"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it"
DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952
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Remind me what the topic is again, oh yea wasent it a rant thread. You are right I will keep it to PTSD related to basic due to the excessive hazing, sleep deprivation with on escape from it all, no way to stand up for yourself, very little legal recourse.
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Oh yea, your basic "I'm just a six-year-old girl" defense.


"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it"
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Yes, I would frag you rppearso. Because your are a likely and identifiable threat to the completion of the mission and my soldier's lives. Its a lesser of two evils. You have no concept of things like dedication to duty. I would kill anyone and anything that prevents me from safely completing my mission. You don't understand the reconnaissance world, you never would. You don't have the balls to live in this world. I walk the line between good and evil. My recon work provides intelligence for battlefield commanders; the information to make decisive and effective plans to win wars. Out here past the front line, no one can hear you scream. You do your job, or you get thousands of US soldiers killed. Its not what you see that kills you, its what you missed. You've already missed a lot, you'd get thousands killed. I said it before, worst case, you wouldn't get killed, you'd stick around to get more killed. You don't understand what it means to place your life in someone's hands. You don't understand that being a team player and supercedes your own needs and wants. You can't see past the "ME ME ME" phase. Its never about you, its about the mission, its about the Army. Then again, you are too big of a chickenshit to put forth the effort for the team. You expect everything to be handed to you. For the record, I have an Associate's of Applied Sciences, Bachelor's of Science, and working on my Masters. I can spell, navigate the English language, and pretty much carry myself as adult. Unfortunately, you are still stuck at 5 year old. So don't get all high and mighty on me. You're a slack-jawed wannabe, pissed off that Mommy said you could do anything, and you can't. Get bent, kid. I'm more than competent, less than enraged, overall better than you. Go cry somewhere else. Save us the trouble, whilst learning to fly, auger into a empty pasture.


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Registered: 19 February 2006
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If you have a bonified BS in a hard science, then that is a real degree. The problem is there are lots of BS degrees you can get that are not hard sciences. Its all a matter of perspective, but there are few BS degrees that touch a BS in chemical engineering. You are right I could not operate in your world thats why I dident sign up for your world but I put around your type anyhow, and thats the militarys fault.
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hmmm, I still like this ignore feature.....


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But you gotta find it amazing that he's still out there gunny.


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Registered: 24 January 2005
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yeah, but we gotta remember that not everyone can resist the temptation to respond to his rant when things slow way down in here.

He's just a broken record and the responses we had been giving him were all the same thing over and over. I say we all need to ignore him completely in order to regain the intent of this site back.


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PROUD TO BE AN INFIDEL

America is not at war.
The Marines are at war, America is at the mall.
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Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan
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I agree gunny. It might be wise if we kept him from new people by responding not to him but to those who might think that he knows what he is talking about, having a real BS degree which is so much better than a regular BS degree.

Maybe I sould give my degrees back since I retired at 52 and not 35.

Might I suggest only pictures to tame the ignorant beast?



"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it"
DOUGLAS MacARTHUR, 1952
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Registered: 15 November 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by rppearso:
If you have a bonified BS in a hard science, then that is a real degree. The problem is there are lots of BS degrees you can get that are not hard sciences. Its all a matter of perspective, but there are few BS degrees that touch a BS in chemical engineering. You are right I could not operate in your world thats why I dident sign up for your world but I put around your type anyhow, and thats the militarys fault.

Rppearso, you don't understand. He's not saying that he takes pleasure in killing those he leads. He's saying that if you act like a douche in a severely hazardous situation he WILL stop you. He cannot afford NOT to.

At least that's my understanding.


“Whether it be by divine intervention or natural instinct, one thing is certain- Harmony with the universe and those around you is the one known truth.”- John Mapehk Tosher
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Ronnec

You hit the nail right on the head with your first sentence to him. He hasn't understood a single response since he joined the board.


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America is not at war.
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Thank you for the clarification I was unable to explain, Ronnec.


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Registered: 19 February 2006
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Ronnec - I do understand, the problem is that the individual that cav had to shoot because they were a "douche" should not have been there at all. My real problem lies with the fact that you can not quit the military if you feel you do not belong there, there sole argument is "you signed the dotted line, so there". So by forcing the douche to stay in the military which subseqently gets him shot by cav, how is that not murder. How is that honorable, is the biggest question?
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Registered: 15 November 2006
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You made a contract. If you no longer want to honour the terms, then legally you need to pay the consequences. I don't know what those are. But if it's really important to you, then just refuse to serve. My guess is they'll lock you up for a certain amount of time. I really don't know.

The rude awakening you're having is that you can't back out of a poor judgement so easily. There's no winning situation, unfortunately.


“Whether it be by divine intervention or natural instinct, one thing is certain- Harmony with the universe and those around you is the one known truth.”- John Mapehk Tosher
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I have done alot of reading into UCMJ and it seems to me you can only be locked up pending a court martial. I am not sure if going AWOL is a court martialable offence especially in the national guard. I dont know if rude awakening is the best term. I would say I have to pay the consequences for making the poor decision to join in the first place. I guess only time will tell what happens, it has been almost a year now and I have gotten one email from guard, I explained my situation and got no response. If they do issue a warrant for my arrest I will lawyer up and I will have a very good case for bullying, I was affraid for my safety because not only did the bullying occure at basic it occured at guard and at 0 phase OCS. So the way I see it, I left because my human rights were violated
Registered: 19 February 2006
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They also have to notify you before the warrant is issued to give you a chance to return, in that case I will just go back in civilian clothes at 33% body fat. Since I have not compleated OCS or AIT and am in the guard I would most likely be ELSed.
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