Now it is just entertaining to see how crazy people on this forum really are.

Oh and BTW, the military uses the title of engineer way to liberaly to know if he even really was a full blown degreed engineer, its like calling a field medic a doctor. People who go out and dig ditches and pour concreate are not engineers or at least not the functions of a true engineer.

rppearso, you never asked any simple questions, you just wanted to validated you superior feelings about youself on your expulsion from the military because it didn't fit your expectations.
The attacks came only after you would not believe or accept what people have told you. You live in that little world of yours, attacking honest people because they don't agree with you. The attack on cavscout goes beyond that, expessially with the false accusations that you are spouting off about.You don't know what your talking about, that clearly show through on your rants,and one only one who is crazy, is you.

Oh my!.. seems I'll have to get out my anti-sh*t helmet as its flying pretty fast and full around here..repearso must have stock in the sh*t-flinging fan company to continually stir up so much trouble.

repeasro, my lad.. 'twould appear that you are stuck at an elementary level of postulation on this post and, indeed, pretty much all the posts on all the threads you have instigated or replied to since joining this august website..

This level is one akin to a kindergartner at playtime.. You joined the military [ at whatever form/level ] not to offer service to community ,country, God or some higher ideal but, simply as a means to fast-track yourself toward an aspiration - that is flying..[ in and of itself, not a derogatory reason, but, given the status and purpose of the military a pretty blinkered understanding of armies throughout the world and ages ] and, sadly, your attitude, when presented with challenges to your pre-conceived personal plan did not change and adapt. Rather than seek to see the rationale for those " hazing, abusive, brain-washing mother-f*cking, father-raping neandrethal antics " [ your perception, which, is not borne by a vast majority of people who have gone through the process ] you dismissed their efforts to , not indoctrinate, but inculcate in you an ethos that saw ' others ' first and you second.

A personal failure on your part [in my eyes] but one I will not be dismissive of at this point, either you or the system failed - lets call it a draw and a difference of perception as to needs - though, to me, yours never got past the self-gratification stage.

Up to this point I could accept your disillusion as you saw it and shake my head at your lack of perception [ a valid reason for flushing you out as any other reason for scratching a ' candidate ' from service ] and you wouldn't have been the only or the last person to be flushed from Basic as not up to standard

where I, and others, have to ' disagree ' and take umbrage with you is over the fact that you chose a, to us, underhanded and dishonourable method to get out of service, maligned those who chose to stay the course, undermined and ridiculed those who administered the programmes, trained the troops, encouraged and supported their efforts, worked to take you and the other recruits from the selfish and infantile concept of ' me first ' to ' others first ', from ' protect my ass and comfort ' to ' serving-the-greater-good altruism ' which, surprising to you perhaps, is the rationale for the armed forces.

The military exists to a] protect the people [ however defined ] and b] to carry out public policy as defined and articulated by the duly-elected government

if you have problems with being a protector then , fine, stay home, shut up and let others protect you, but don't put them down for standing up and taking a bullet for you, even though they may loathe you for not standing with them..

if you have problems with the 'duly-elected' government, its policies domestic and foreign, etc. etc.. then, as you live in a ' free and democratic' nation [ despite whatever flaws/restrictions you see in it ] then you have the right, duty and obligation to get out and change it through lobbying, voting, running for office, etc, etc..

all it takes is for you to articulate a coherent raeson for change and convincing others of the ' rightness/correctness' of your cause and...voila.. you'll be the next government and can alter/change/scrap the US military machine that demeans and destroys young men only interested in getting a free education and quick jump to playing with all the cool toys [ i.e. you flying planes paid for by the poor unsuspecting taxpayers ]..


all of the above advice, of course, comes with a caveat.. you have to actually get out do some work, talk and meet with people, spend years at convincing others, lobby, speak, write, jump up and down and defend your proestations and concepts in a rational and clear manner

you do not convince us here with unfounded accusations of malice in the military [ show some systemic evidence that you and others were abused - shouldn't be hard, I mean if soldiers took photos of them having ' jollies' with priosners in Abu Ghraib, there must be photos of you and others in Basic being similarly abused by being forced to eat bugs or stand for hours in the pouring rain guarding latrines.. ], you do not come on here and accuse those who have served/are serving that they have been brainwashed by the ' man ' to become mindless killing machines for dubious Dubya's world domination plans, you do not come on here and offer as an alternative to complex manoeuvering to rebuild a failed nation [ something that even Bushites and Democraps know will not be accomplished in a six month rotation or even a year or two after Dubya retires ] the simple solutiuon of using WMD's to wipe out a people - the very thing a world was horrified and worried Saddam might and would do [ and had done ] to his people and others..this makes you look stupid, no better than the ' enemy ' and otherwise infantile in your thinking which brings us back to the very first impression we had of you when you started posting here in the first place.

I trust that this long reply to your posts hasn't been too taxing on your mental faculties..and I mean no disprespect in that comment...simply that, after reading your hundred+ responses and tghe repeating mantra they contain, I am convined that the poor grammar and spelling and the inane repetition their show indicates that you have a cognitive disorder that needs professional intervention to correct.. please consider remedial English courses and some therapy [ most accredited institutions of higher learning offer these supports to their students these days as they are aware of the inadequacies of the education system at lower levels - a topic for discussion on another forum since I don't want to hijack this thread any more than you have already done so ]

okay, rant over... my free time for Saturday is about used up and I have a list of tasks assigned by my commanding officer which must be completed to her satisfaction or I will face ' certain restrictions' and be confined to quarters rather than given a weekend pass.

once more, repearso, it seems your selfishness and petty blinkered view of things has adversely affected others..
No beer for you from my fridge!!

Wow you are right rocketeer, I probably do belong in politics more so than in the military. I could stop the abuse and the spending even if at the local national guard level every little bit helps. Also I wonder if it is possible to work under the governor or congress person with signature authority so to speak to do congressional inquiries on military training bases. It would be nice to walk among NCO's and officers with total authority over even the base generals to stop abuse.

They should not loath me for not wanting to stand with them if I were not willing to do what I did not sign up for and get them killed or make them look bad because I did not care. Life is to short to have your ambitions side tracked by unnessisary "noise in the background" so to speak.

I do now understand the difference between a typical soldier and myself. A soldier has no ambitions that are as narrowly defined as myn are they simply joined to do what ever is asked of them. I however have very narrow and specific aspirations and if the path towards thoes aspirations is not open I will go another way.

However in my finite wisdom compared to you rocketeer I still do not understand why people who want to seperate are made an example of, that type of behavior, legally binding contract or not is malavolant behavior.

Round Ronald:

According to Webster’s Dictionary:

Engineer: 1. one skilled in some branch of engineering. 2. the operator of an engine. 3. one who supervises work done with engines, etc. 4. a member of the armed forces who is trained in engineering.

Someone is awarded this nations highest honor for bravery and you bring up the definition of what an engineer is, which you do not even know which is strange you being one and all. You might just try to look it up instead of being your typical horse’s ass and trying to make yourself more important than someone who gave the ultimate sacrifice for their country.

You are a waste of time and space.

Sorry I dont have the HarryP version of the websters dictionary. When I looked it up an enlisted person with a 4 week AIT hardly qualifies as an engineer. Now there are some actuall degreed commissioned officer engineers in the army corp, and they are engineers (civil but still engineers) but the bulk of the soldiers who call themselves engineers are not.

4 week AIT? What army did you join rppearso?

I've tried to stay out of this as I was trying to respect the person who started this thread and the topic itself, but...calling everyone "crazy" in this particular thread has finally pissed me off.

Admin-- Could we please ban the village idiot or at least keep this crap out of a PTSD forum?

Oh it pissed you off, to imply you were not pissed off before, I find that hard to believe. Contradicting political and personal opinions piss lots of people off on this form.

Maybe you should have kept it cool patoloco and we wouldent be where we are at. I believed I posted in this thread about PTSD from military training, you got all pissy because im not a 20 yr hardened combat veteran and I defended my stance, now you cry that I should be banned. I make good points weather you choose to recognize that or not, you just dont like thoes points because they are contrary to what you believe.

Mech768, you seemed to have missed the point. Let me put it another way. X number of weeks AIT that is not a 4 year engineering degree and by no means qualifies you to call yourself an engineer or act in that capacity.

So...if I read repearso right, it shouldn't be called the Army Corps of Engineers..it should be re-named the Army Corps of Engineer [ the officer ] and Scut Workers [ the rest of the crew ]..

sure.. I mean why not? now that it is kinder,gentler..let's get truth in advertizing...

I didn't miss the point rppearso. You think thru your supposed superior intellect that someone who does manual labor should not be called an engineer. There are many skills that the corp of engineer use, besides being a basic soldier, and I believe they have earned the right of their title.
That the title of engineer should be reserved for designers and those who implement the plans on paper, makes them better than the skilled worker? Many who have to go to school a long period of time to aquire these skills? That the fact that having an engineering degree makes you better them all the rest of them?

I never claimed to be better than anyone. I am only clairfying a confused title. Titles and rank dont mean anything to me but they are the world to people in the military, so that is the language I speak on this form. Lower enlisted are treated like subhumans, NCO's are the executors of the subhuman treatment along with some melevolant officers, and most officer just condone the behavior of there NCOs until the general officer come into congressional inquiry, but generally that just involves an officer stepping down, but the same shit bag NCO's are still there so nothing really changes they just have a better idea of where the line is to keep the spot light off of them. The reason I tout being an engineer, is because in the civilian world it is the equivilant to being a mid level officer second only to the managers who run the company, but even they do not argue or sneer when it comes to our technical expertise. So it is eritating when someone trys to use bogus titles to talk down to me, like oh yea well im an engineer, when they really are not. It is really unfortunate that engineers do not get the respect they deserve in the military like doctors and lawyers. Your respect is earned through your expertise and what you know. Contrary to popular belief on this forum, I think the world of combat veterans until they try to lord there service record over me because I left when the military broke my contract and they think im a pussy. How can you expect me to respont politely (even though I really should) to malice hate becasue I asked a simple question about how to square away my paperwork to get out of the military.

Well horse's ass, who do you think the first engineers were? Which college offered the first degree in engineering?

The only confusing thing is your understanding of the term engineer. Webster's Dictionary is considered a correct publication.

Additionally, having worked in business for 30 years as an executive (working with both mech. and chem (all PHds) engineers), I can say that you are once again wrong about how engineers are treated.

See how you try to belittle anyone who is called an engineer because it does not meet your standards? Funny how they are not considered the "real" standard.

A waste of time and space.

To address this forum:

Thinking one could get PTSD from basic training and wanting to collect a disability payment from it is the act of a societal leach. It is also smacks of someone who has absolutely no respect for people who have been in combat and might have a real case.

It is hard to believe that even the weakest individual could claim something so bogus. When I think of all of the women (who are consider my many psychiatrists and psychologists to be more emotionally fragile than men on average) who make it through basic and war without an abnormal amount of claims and I wonder why a man would make such a claim.

We consider it the same as driving past a fire and feeling the heat -- then claiming that you are entitled to the same benefits as a fireman who was injured in that fire. It defies any moral or ethical imperative.

I will rant, oh yes. How thorough I shall be!

A claim for PTSD from the VA is impossible when justification is BCT at Fort Leonard Wood, MO. Mainly, how could one claim VA benefits with no discharge? You are still stuck in an IADT limbo. You have no MOS. You are not a veteran, you are a recruit. Veterans have some form of service that is honorable. Going AWOL or Absentee is not honorable, therefore would not justify an Honorable discharge. Hence, you could never file a claim through the VA. Case closed.

I am amazed at how you think its hate to call you a piece of shit; yet you will accuse/compare me to be a rapist. Hmmm, nice double-talk. Its fitting that not only are you a complete smacktard, you are also a hypocrite. Thank your lucky stars you never meet me. Ranting, no. Me whipping the shit out of you, yes. You like to think you are smart. You think so...but again you are wrong. If you were so smart, you would consider who you are talking to. Everyone on this site is a respected veteran, or attempting to be, or even a staunch supporter. You don't even realize you are standing alone. No one is on your side. Your claims of knowledge are rebuked at every step. We giggle wildly at your incessant need to make an ass out of yourself at every turn. We are beyond chuckling and shaking our head. Now, you are pissing people off. Your claims become more and more outrageous, and you have become a nuisance. I'm amazed at how you think you are remotely capable to challenge anyone on here. Let alone me. I am top dog in my profession. I have served for seven years, am an E-6 getting looked at for E-7, have an education well beyond your means. I have a lifestyle well beyond your means, and will always be held in a higher regard than you. It burns you up to know all of us are more successful, and it really must irritate you that in the business realm, most engineers are regarded as nothing more than socially inept idiot savants that need a committee to validate their existence. So, toddle off to your room and play some Magic: The Gathering and leave the adults to talk. We all have grown weary of your antics, your stupidity, your crying like an infant.

Your military friends aren't anything to write home about if they will condone your failure to report, failure to be at appointed place of duty. Those allowing you to remain the fantastic piece of monkey shit that you are is the least Honorable. Thats subhuman treatment. They are allowing you to be a failure. So using them as a frame of reference is a waste. Much as you are a waste. Begone little kid. You are dismissed.

What else can you call it but hate. A staff sgt with a 2 yr degree in applied science as I remember, ooohhh. I dont want to get money from the VA, at least not for PTSD, I just think it should be a lagitimate disqualifier to go on in the military, you know its true, the basic training system is broken, if you get injured you are stuck in limbo for a very long time and if you are a noncoper you are passed through anyhow. There is no quality control. The rest of what you spouted off is just a bunch of nonsence from a ragefull staff sgt who wants to abuse some privates becasue he is all pissy.

Ronald, you are expressing opinions while confronting facts. You cannot have it both ways. Choose one and stop acting like a bone head. It is not that hard to understand.

Cavscout, you have admited you would be willing to commit murder, is rape just a little bit over the top for you. I will try to keep the analogys to assult and murder. Oh and I picked up a new military buzz word for murder, fraging them, when really your just murdering someone or severly assulting them.