So is this your idea of keeping it cool Sammy. If you had people who wanted to quit or "weasel" there way out then they would get a admin discharge and RE code 4 and then you would truely have only thoes there that wanted to be there then and only then would it truely be an all voulenteer force.

A website is like a small village..Every one needs a village idiot.. represso is ours...

Cry me an f'ing river rppearso.

Listen shit for brains. It's an all volunteer force because we don't require you to serve X amount of years when you turn 18. I know that you are too much of a dumbass to realize that before any Joe raises his right hand, he is told that if we go to war, he will be required to go if told to. If you don't want to go to war, then don't f'ing join, it's that f'ing simple. Of course, simple logic escapes a "college" educated idiot like yourself.

The guy just doesn't get it.
You join, you go by their rules.
Very simple. Unless you are living under a rock, or on another planet.
Would you join a company and tell a boss from now one we do it my way, or you cannot tell me to do that? Or I want to be V.P. within a year?
The service does what it does to train a individual for acting as a team member and to survive in a bad siduation.
Very simple.

I understand all to well, its a melevolant system built around brainwashing and control (because you cant control someone who can not be brain washed) so if thats what you mean by there rules then I agree. I just think its funny that you try to justify this type of behavior as "honorable", where is the honor in "hooking someone up" or "making an example of someone" or putting warrants out for someones arrest that does not want to be there or creating OTH discharges that are designed as an attempt to sabatage someones return to civilian life. So while all these things are the "rules" there is no way to justify these things as being honorable without sounding like a fool.

Damn,. there's that whine again...must be a system failure..

rppearso: No honor, ethics or moral fiber can be found in you. Just because you could not cut it does not mean that the millions who did are wrong. You use little boy excuses.

Why dont you explain harryP, it seems you just like to spew hate.

Ronald, you are truly a hopeless individual. You have had things explained to you by several people on this site and your feeble intellect does not allow you to believe anything that you do not understand. As for spewing hate – don’t give yourself that much credit. I do not hate you; I find you a humorous diversion and nothing more.

You just love hijacking and keeping the subject on you and not on its intent. How hopeless you must be if you are seeking negative attention.

Rppearso I fear that you are beyond saving. I truly believe you must be completely oblivous to what it truly means to serve. From what i've been able to gather from your previous posts I now speak to you with all the honesty I can muster. You are weak. I do not mean weak in a physical sense, nor mental. No you are weak in your very existence. To serve requires a number of traits to be present within an individual. Faith, Strength, Loyalty,Love of Country and Flag to name a few. Each of these traits is instilled in our nations servicemen and provides them with power and pride. Pride in knowing that they are some of the most skilled and honorable people on this planet. And the power to defend it. You, however, did not acheive any of these traits during your stint at basic training and thus you appear before the world. Without pride, without power, and without reason. I speak thusly with no hatred, nor anger, though they are warranted against an individual of your inherent weakness, no I speak to you with pity. My father new what it meant to serve, he fought for his country and while I was never given a chance to meet him I am proud of him for giving his life for his Flag. I will serve, I will fight side by side with the men and women I admire so much, and I will lay down my life to protect all that I hold dear, and that includes you. It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees Rppearso, I implore you and all those who have the will to serve to stand up...

Hate and anger is never warranted. I used to think as the rest of you do until I lived in the military culture and realized its not for me. Im not willing to go hungry in a ditch to hold the line, my whole family is blue collar and most have a military back ground and I hated the blue collar lifestyle so I endured a rigours engineering program (regardless of how much cavscout wants to denigrate my education) to put on a white collar. I joined to fly helicopters not lay in the trenches and I worked very hard to get where I am, so it should not be a surprise that I am not so willing to serve doing grunt work. You, like many others, like to use the big picture of the military as a shield to justify total crap. If I had been put on a fast track to fly like I was promised and defend my state (thats what the national guard is suppost to be, state defense)not iraq there would have been no issues. My service was conditional and I made it clear, think what you will but if I apply for a job I expect to fill that role and not any other (save an extreme emergency situation)

Rppearso you are nothing, let me repeat that, NOTHING like "the rest of us". Your very prescence on this site attests to your own ignorance. You moan about how you were so vicously "hazed" in basic. Please, i've seen worse hazing in a high school locker room. You are the worst kind of patriot, a coward. A parasite that survives only by the grace of others. It makes no difference to me that the military was "not for you". This does not change the fact that you are a deserter, a failure, and a fool.

Thats your opinion, I cant stop people from wanting to be ditch diggers. But when someone lies to you and you call BS all of a sudden that makes you a deserter, please. Your response is so typical there should be a forum spokesperson for some of you. Deserter is a buzz word nothing more, all it means is I quit my job, but the military with its melevolant mentality chose to attach the term AWOL or Deserter in an attempt to smear someone because they stood up against abuse. Thats the fact.

And BTW im on here because its entertaining, many on here dont have any really insight they just jump on the band wagon of what they were brainwashed to believe in basic training. A few on here think for themselves but still repeat the same montra in a different form.

So,what you saying rppearso,is that the military lifestyle that we served willingly has brainwashed us? Because we thought for ourselves, joined and served, we just jumped on a bandwagon and don't know what we wheer doing?
While you, with an engineering back ground, are too good for the service in learning all aspecs of its life? That you are better than the rest of us?
A lot of the members here who have served are of a higher education, did other jobs than being a grunt,but all learned the basics of military life because that was what the job entailed. A 8 year old who watchs war movies could have told you that.
Why you could possibly think that treating the mititary as a civilian job dictate terms of you joining is beyond me.
You just didn't read the job discription,or you think your to good to, and now your blaming everyone else, a way of life for many, on your shortcomings.
What makes you feel your better, smarter than anyone else out there?
Many out there on this site I have been proud to know for years, and each one, no matter what their affilation with the military, has always been of their own opinion, done their own thing, and have never spouted reteric or been brainwashed by the military, and I may add, have just as good, or better education, common sense, jobs, than you.

Medal of Honor
Sgt 1st Class Paul Smith
Army, Engineer Corps
2nd Plt, B Co, 11th Engr Bn. 3rd Inf Div.
Bagdad, Iraq, April 4, 2003
Hometown: Holiday, Fla.

"While leading his unit in construting an Iraqi prison near Baghdad International Airport, Smith and his men were attacked. Rather than retreat, Smith manned a .50-caliber machine gun, killing 50 of the enemy. He took return fire from automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades. He finally died when he was hit in the head. His actions saved the lives of some 100 GIs outside the courtyard walls."

This man was a soldier first and an engineer second. He did not leave the hard work behind him because it was not his job -- he knew that it was his job.

Some people just put up with it for there 4 years or so and get out and act like a decent human being and do just fine, I have friends that are in the military and that were in the military from the marines to the air force. My problem lies with the hardliner, and there are enough of them in the military to make life sucky, like thoes of you on this site. One of my friends is a marine and he does not denigrate me because of my decision to leave the national guard outside of the established bounds of my contract, the hardliner on the other hand acts in line with cavscout and all thoes on his band wagon. Another of my friends is air force SP and does not buy into the hardliner philosophy, he does not denigrate people or haze people just because hes an NCO.

People like cavscout hide under the blanket of the military, they treat others they dont like like crap, denigrate them and then claim there honor because there high level job is the military. What cavscout does is equivalant to raping women in a combat zone (only less severe) but equally dishonorable.

Ronald, you are the lowest form of human being because you have absolutely no ethical standards and would not recognize moral behavior if it hit you in your abysmal head.

You began the denigration of character long before anyone on this site did but that must be okay because of your attitude of superiority. Being an idiot savant does not qualify you for any rights above the most lowly of humanity. Failing the military does not entitle you to anything that we would not accord the most unworthy of individuals.

Considering your general lack of intellectual ability beyond the profession that you never fail to brag about, you do not have the ability to know that you truly are a fool. It is not an insult – it is a fact that most of us recognize. Based upon your writings, it is safe to assume that most of the people on this site are more knowledgeable about most things in life than you can ever hope to come close to without a giant shove.

Calling CavScout a rapist is beyond the pale. He is a much better person than you can ever hope to be, though; you are incapable of understanding human behavior. Honor is just a word that you will never understand and it is fruitless to try to explain it to you. Why waste good time.

That is the crux of the matter – you are a waste of time. You will never be more than that.

My whole start on this form started with a simple question in which members responded with hostility. I asked a few simple questions and if someone dident know oh well. But instead people started denigrating based on the types of questions I was asking.