Here is a zone to let off steam, but bare in mind the TOU, no personal attacks, a no offence to any individual.

We are here to listen, and help if we can.

I no longer enjoy flying commercial aircraft. The stupid lines and rude people giving me a hard time, just does not make me joyous. So when I go to the AMVETS National Training in Daytona Beach Florida I drive from Ohio. It is somewhat over 850 miles one way. Going down I stop and stay overnight in a motel, coming back I drive hard and do not stop except for gasoline. I drink no liquid from the night before until I get to the Ohio border, that eliminates me from eliminating! It is usually getting between a couple of big trucks and "riding the rocking chair" (betwixt the trucks) and talking on the CB. My handle (name) on the CB is Red Dawg named after my 11 year old's favorite stuffed Beanie Baby from diapers to a couple of years ago. He is now on display in a Lucite case in my bedroom. She called him Red Dog and remains her favorite stuffed animal.
I have made it home from Daytona Beach Florida in less than 12 hours. I do enjoy driving and looking at scenery as I move on down the road. So in April I will be there 18th to 23rd. Getting trained again.
In October the AMVETS National Symposium for young veterans will be held in Chicago. My boss is a part of the symposium, as as of yesterday so am I. I will be teaching or presenting a class on VA healthcare.
Unless the boss goes by automobile, we gotta fly!

I wonder if I could get treatment for PTSD from basic training even though I was ELSed between basic and OCS

yeah, go ahead and pursue that and let us know what the professionals think and say.

The email is in the pipe. Now I just need to find the email for the S-1 to see if there is an ELS for me to sign.

I may need to fight to upgrade the ELS to a defective enlistment agreement as I was disenrolled from OCS and the caracterization will be listed as a defective enlistment agreement for anyone disenrolled from OCS. Anything for now will be good so that I can walk in the armory with out getting harrased or at least able to retaliate aginst the harrasement without significant consequence.

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retaliate aginst the harrasement without significant consequence.

I almost forgot, the 5th degree yellow belt will open a can of whoopass on some NCO's.

yeah, and suffering from PTSD from recruit training! (all because the Drill Sgt took my twinkie!)

yeah I saw that, but I took that as direction in our replys back to those of us with diagnosed PTSD.

Your assertion that you qualify for PTSD from your boot experiences doesn't float with me.

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I will admit some of my eariler posts were not always related to the thread but in recent time I have been on topic, you just dont like the adivce I have to give. And when someone asks to get out of there contract or obligation do you not attack or denigrate them. Harrasment is what caused me to become an anti-recruiter. You represent the exact mentality I am talking about, the rules apply against me but not you because your the sgt or whatever your rank was.

I also am not anti-US just anti hazing and because the military insists on hazing I am anti-military not because I disagree with defending our nation but because I feel that the military mind set needs a major overhaul. Treating people as subhuman is unacceptable and people that are thinking of joining need to know that is what is going to happen to them. And the abuse and harrasment far exceeds almost anything you will see in the civilian world

It may not float with you gunny but we are going to see if it floats with the VA in about a week.

I think it is important for anyone injured and/or tramatized by basic training to know what kind of options they have.

one little thing you may want to consider when talking to the VA.....you have to produce your honorable discharge papers......oh wait, you don't have any

We will see what the VA has to say, I would not think it would matter the type of discharge, if the military is responsible for the injury then they are responsible for the injury, your actions or discharge type do not change that fact.

your welcome to your opinion, flawed though it is, you missed the one point when requesting VA assistance in your case....you were never discharged honorably, dishonorably, other than honorably, medically.....need I go on?

Here is where I get irritated and confused. I am an Operation Iraqi Freedom vet, diagnosed with TBI and PTSD. Although the military head shrinkers have their say, I only listen half-heartedly. Then, after experiencing combat, being wounded, watching fellow Soldiers move to Fiddler's Green; I come home. To listen to the denigration of this great Service by someone who then wants to milk the VA for PTSD from Basic Training, and is the picture of disenfranchisement for jaded service members by their own doing.

The VA is a broken system on many levels as it is. You are merely going to exacerbate the situation, by making claim to some form of "trauma" you experienced. Bogging down the system with more fruitless and useless claims. Therefore keeping treatment from those that NEED it in a timely manner.

Those are MY brothers in blood and arms you wish to take something from. Thats how I see it. You now find it fit to classify yourself as hallowed as the Brave, the Heroes, the Soldiers, the Veterans, who are deserving of treatment and our respect. You will try to cheat, swindle, and snivel your way to some sort of monetary compensation? You want counseling? Go and get it. Healing yourself is still your responsibility. If you need the help, for your so-called "trauma," go get it. Or would you rather try to pin it on the VA to fix your woes and pay for your lackluster attitude?

I agree that the degree of stress which I was exposed to was not equivalant to being in iraq, however, I incured a physical injury that was the militarys responsibility as well as the mental abuse I was exposed to (I will at least get the medical for the physical injury because I have all the paper work for it) and maybe the PTSD because that is the reason I was released from OCS (the letter I wrote was basicly paranoia of abuse). If the VA wants they should put me on a lower prioirty to thoes that have more severe cases but it does not make my claim any less lagitimate.

Also alot of the basis for your hate hinges on the fact that you dont think I will be discharged, if you seriously check OCS regulations you will find that if an OC fails to complete OCS for any reason there discharge will be catorgorized as a defective enlistment (not that the enlistment was defective, thats just what they catorgorize it as).

I will track down the S-1's email address through phone calls at my own pace and distance (and make one trip and one trip only to the base to sign anything that I have set up over email or phone), in the mean time the GI rights hot line told me I am not required to attend guard and I have no reason not to believe them as a warrent is not out for my arrest throught the court system web site and it has been almost a year.

You may think im a POS because the military was not for me, but thats your opinion. My biggest complaint with the military is what they have done to other members who for what ever reason want to exit out of there contract early and the military stone walls them, its wrong, whether you want to see it or not, the biggest sin though is stop loss, especially stop lossing thoes that have served there full 8 years, just because you are entitled to destroy someones life contractually does not make it right or moral, thats why it is laughable when the military claims morality or honor, there is no honor in treating someone like an indentured servant just becasue they signed up and realized it was not for them.